The unofficial results are in…77.28% of full-time academic staff cast their ballots with 51.25% voting to accept the colleges’ final offer and 48.74% voting to reject the offer. The official results will be determined by the Ontario Labour Relations Board (OLRB) after a review of all of the ballots, including segregated ballots and mail-in ballots; this should take approximately 10 days.
Unofficial Results by College
| College | Offer “Accept” | Offer “Reject” |
| Algonquin | 55.22% | 44.78% |
| Boréal | 18.95% | 81.05% |
| Cambrian | 39.09% | 60.91% |
| Canadore | 32.32% | 67.68% |
| Centennial | 55.35% | 44.65% |
| Conestoga | 63.34% | 36.66% |
| Confederation | 52.74% | 47.26% |
| Durham | 53.21% | 46.79% |
| Fanshawe | 67.62% | 32.38% |
| Fleming | 45.36% | 54.64% |
| George Brown | 44.46% | 55.54% |
| Georgian | 46.73% | 53.27% |
| Humber | 64.99% | 35.01% |
| La Cité | 31.79% | 68.21% |
| Lambton | 30.99% | 69.01% |
| Loyalist | 44.44% | 55.56% |
| Mohawk | 51.18% | 48.82% |
| Niagara | 45.89% | 54.11% |
| Northern | 43.27% | 56.73% |
| St. Clair | 42.69% | 57.31% |
| St. Lawrence | 80.54% | 19.46% |
| Sault | 21.97% | 78.03% |
| Seneca | 46.92% | 53.08% |
| Sheridan | 54.37% | 45.44% |
| TOTAL | 51.25% | 48.74% |
Update::
The Union has postponed the strike deadline, previously set for Feb. 17th, indefinitely until the final results are in.
oh please……just go on strike and get this over with.
…making us wait and stew like that…..
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I think they are waiting for weather to get better, then they will go and strike, I wouldn’t be suprised if they make up another excuse and date to release final votes.
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The ten days are up, what is the answer or are we still waiting?
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It’s ten days minus weekends and possibly the holiday (Family Day on February 15th). We are expecting the results either Wednesday or Thursday.
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I totally agree! I’ve been coming on this site regularly to see the results, its been 11 days and still nothing. 10 days, minus weekends and family day. It feels like it’s been forever, and now we have to wait until mid-week! I really hope to know before Wednesday considering I have a mid-term Wednesday! Anyways, some answers would be FANTASTIC!
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i think it’s timejust to hang up this entire situation. This would be the second stike that i would have gone through at this school. Talks of strikes has put on more pressure towards the students then actually having one. The one is 2006 was terrible and stressed out a lot of people to the point where they quit. If a lof a teachers actually cared about the students education they would vote not to have this strike until summer time. Yes, i know that doesn’t really do anything or scare too many people but have it at the end of summer and treaten not to come back at the beginning of the year. So people say it’s not about money, but they are asking for more of it, 5.9% increase i believe it is over a few years. We just got out of a reccession and already asking for more money. Let’s try and get our economy back on track and balanced before more demands. Stop this strike, you’re not trying to better our education, you are only hurting it in the long run.
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So about those results?
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The union bargaining team should resign. They received a vote of no confidence
Ted Montgomery,and the rest of the union bargaining team should step down and let new bargainers come in for next contract. It is time for change.
They lost the vote, they have lost confidence of faculty
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Clearly they donno how to add numbers up. over 52% rejected it .
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So… the date is no longer the 17th? They’re just moving it indefinitely? Are we still going to school Monday??
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Contracts are 5 years… which doesn’t mean they’re going to lose their job after 5 years.
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All they want is more money!! They are asking for a 7.9% increase over 3 years!! Thats all they care about its not about quality of education its about MONEY!!!!! The students are the ones who are going to lose out if they do strike!
They do not need any more money they make enough as it is. 100,000 dollars is more than enough!
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Well, we can now say 10 days has come and gone; so what are the results?
I think it is time now that students know what to expect. We have been tagged along for way too long.
POST IT NOW!
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crossing fingers (and toes) that the outstanding 300 dont tip the scales back to strike stance.
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Just found the article I posted down below. This just makes me think I was right before in saying we are all being jerked around by the schools and the union. So much for education or our hard earned money.
this was on the TB News web site:
The waiting game continues for students attending Confederation College and other colleges across Ontario as a looming labour dispute remains unsettled.
Last week some 9,000-college faculty across Ontario voted 51 per cent in favour of the employer’s final contract offer.
OPSEU, the union representing the faculty, had set an official strike date for Wednesday.
But the union now says an official Labour Relations Board count of all the ballots will take place next Wednesday, postponing the strike deadline indefinitely.
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honestly, stop postponing it every 2 seconds,
it’s annoying
stop using the students as a bargaining chip
on the rate its going it won’t matter anyways cuz we will be done our semester.
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Today would be the strike date if teachers rejected the offer..
They said that it would take 10 days for mail in ballots to be counted. This COULD change the percentile of rejects and accepts of the offer. So basically we have to wait until Feb 20. And if they decide to go on strike they need a 5 day notice…
NEW STRIKE DATE 25… If there lazy 26th.
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wow teacher at Boréal college must really hate their jobs
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POSTPONE POSTPONE POSTPONE….. like what the hell? Get on with it, all you have to do it count. Suck it up and get shit done we’re all tired of waiting, this isn’t a damn game!
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pls calculate it again ……….acc to my calculations there might be strike……..
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I think people should realize that NOW its no longer about money, whom ever came on this site and said money wasn’t part of this whole fiasco, was totally wrong, now money is no longer the issue, all that’s left issue wise is stuff relating to students more then teachers. People need to understand that the money was at one point a hold out in there negotiations and it wasn’t until recently (before the in favor vote happened) that both sides settled on a dollar amount increase per year. I find it a little odd that the offer is “more then agreeable” after the whole money fiasco was dealt with…but I wont beat a dead horse. Yes the problem now was class hours, extra help time etc etc and I don’t know any specifics on class hours etc for teachers now. I just don’t need to hear another teacher say “were doing this for you” when I KNOW that (at least initially) it wasnt about us at all.
This all being said, its very likely that we are not striking, even with the uncounted votes (which i heard was around 300 or something like that), 210 votes is all that separated the vote in terms of for and against, so the odds that 300 votes would swing the vote to against the offer is highly unlikely, considering how the vote went overall and the fact that the votes are being mailed in all over the place.
Its the only reason why the vote results are “Unofficial” and not official.
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when are we going to find out when and if there is going to be a sstrike.
february 21st?
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Ya’ sure pal, and I suppose you have experience in the workforce to base that decision on? When you’re not being treated fairly as a person who deserves as much respect as the next guy in regards to working conditions, you may choose to be complacent, but I would like to exercise my options, and if a strike would make things better for everyone in the long run, including the students, because noone really knows what kind of impact this will have on students in the long run. In my opinion whatever is going to be better for the instructors will probably make it easier for the students. I think some students are being one sided and playing the poor me’s, but I’m sure everything will work out for the greater good.
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Everybody, just chill…
Even if there is a strike, life will go on.
Keep up with the homework, keep studying so when it is over you haven’t screwed yourselves. We’re all supposed to be grown ups right? Sorry if that sounds harsh to those of you who need your hand held still, but what are you going to do when you hit the working world? Think about it.
If they do strike, eventually they will likely be legislated back to work before the term will be lost. They will just have to cram it all in (hence, the advice above), and maybe there will be fewer marked assignments/tests, which means they will be weighted more heavily.
The term can’t easily just be “extended” because another term starts right on its heels.
So try not to stress too much people.
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Although the bigger colleges have accepted the offer, you have to realize that money is not the issue here, the time they have to prepare for classes, and exams, as well as correcting time is one of the issues that are currently being negotiated, however the government is trying to take that away all together and the teachers are trying to fight in order to keep their class prep and correcting time, if they dont then our college education will go down the drain and the quality of education will never be the same
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Did anyone notice that only the smaller colleges (except GB) voted to accept the offer? Do smaller colleges get worse benefits? Probably not. This is a little rediculous. Make up your mind because I would really like to continue studying. Thanks.
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small towns = northern ontario = hardcore union towns
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Hey, what you just said makes no sense. All the small colleges voted accept. Which would mean they are not with the union. Also smaller towns usually have a habit of settling for less rather than going without pay for a month, or maybe they are just happy with their income and working environment.
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Boreal (sudbury) – 81.05% reject offer
Cambrian (sudbury) – 60.91% reject offer
Canadore (north bay) – 67.68% reject offer
Northern (timmis) – 56.73% reject offer
Sault (sault ste. marie) – 78.03% reject offer
Confederation (thunder bay) – 47.26% reject offer <— the only northern school that accepted the offer!
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alright sooo apparently the idiots dont know how to add :S ???? cuz i did it myself as well as other here im sure..and ya its like..52% reject the offer..meaning there should of been a strike..why are they faking it??? like its ACTUALLY annoying..r u effing striking or not? ..students need to KNOW!! ..like really? no point…lets just say..the “official” results get it..end of february or beginning of march they decide to strike..for what 3 weeks? were alright into april now..which is technically our last month of the semester..alright fine..so they extend the semester till May..people have plans..and ok fine..lets say people forget the idea of their plans..now they wanna cram us all the info that we missed? ..ok..and what about nursing students like me? ..we lose our clinical ours..how can we make that up? im sure our clinical teachers dont have time..some might..i know mine wont..she does medical missions in africa around that time of May..like..SERIOUSLY! ..come on..make up ur unionized mind!
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Your right I also did the math. But really there is no use doing the math on those numbers. They don’t count those numbers anyway. It is not school specific, or out of the number of schools. It is professor specific. So one large school with 1 000 teaches that voted to strike could counter 3 or 4 small colleges. But I agree this is getting really annoying.
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further research showed they calculated this by how many teachers all together voted yes and no to the offer.
Total Accepted:
4285
Total Rejected:
4075
Total Valid Votes:
8361
4285/8361 = 51.25%
They calculated it like this instead of calculating it by the percentage of what the colleges voted.
This is how they calculated it.
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at this rate the semester will be over…woohoo =)
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Yeah, I get 52.76 for “offer rejected” too.. hmmm
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colleges reject from colleges 1-5
% of votes together: 299.07
colleges reject from colleges 5-10
% of votes together: 217.73
colleges reject from colleges 10-15
% of votes together: 281.04
colleges reject from colleges 15-20
% of votes together: 272.54
colleges reject from colleges 20-24
% of votes together: 196.01
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% of votes in total: 1266.39
1266.3/2400 (2400 being total percentage of 24 colleges)
=0.5276625 * 100
=52.8 (rounded up)
LOL?
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further research showed they calculated this by how many teachers all together voted yes and no to the offer.
Total Accepted:
4285
Total Rejected:
4075
Total Valid Votes:
8361
4285/8361 = 51.25%
They calculated it like this instead of calculating it by the percentage what the colleges voted.
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@mad
you got it!
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Yes, But If they did it like that, then that means that the larger colleges would have more voting power due to more teachers being employed than the smaller colleges, and seeing as how the issue must be taken in as a whole with all colleges being equal, then the smaller colleges are not even represented properly.
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That’s democracy, Truthseeker.
Example: a group of small towns vote for one candidate, while larger cities voted for another. The larger cities had more voters, and the candidate they favored becomes president. This, in a nutshell, is the democratic process.
Each professor (as a union member) has a voted which is weighted equally, regardless of their college.
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thats how the cookie crumbles in any vote… look at the elections, small towns get little say because of small population. Just be glad the smaller schools werent merged for voting purposes… that would have made a huge mess of things.
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I don’t like this not one little bit and i’m sure every other student feels this way first of all we sit waiting, and i know i feel a little discouraged because of all of this, i do not want a strike considering my years already paid for and id like to be given every opportunity to be successful. But it should really say something to the union that all of the northern colleges except one rejected their offer. i feel bad for the students but i also do feel sorry for the faculty at these northern colleges who’s votes are being ignored… Guess thats what happens when your from a smaller town.
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Any new news?
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I just heard that Feb 25th a decision will be known on the strike issue. Not sure which way.
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Hi, I would like to know if there is a strike on the 17th or not? or as it been post pond to a letter date? When is the last day that the results should be in by?
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the official recount will be held on February 24th to include all mail in and segregated votes. It really could go either way, but the talk amoung staff is that likely there will be no strike.
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it would be very very stupid if they accept this offer, it will hurt teachers in long run really bad.
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Heard the teachers union advertisement on the radio the other day… It essentially said “we are striking to ensure our students get the best education possible”
Really? You sure it’s not to ensure the teachers get every penny available? I must have misread the bargaining agreement and it’s lack of mention for “Student perks”
Kinda hard to get an education too if the teachers union delays, compresses, or cancels our school semester. But hey, we should support them, they are striking to ensure our best education. …Not!
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so I calculated my self add the rejects up get 1266.38 and 1133.43 accepts and then times it by 100 and divide by 2400 since there is 24 colleges. The end results 52.76 % reject and 47.22% accept so meaning there is a high chance of a strike maybe this wed.
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for all of you saying the calculations show that the majority favor a strike, i’m sure you are doing it wrong. math fail
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Well if you can prove us wrong, go ahead. By all means try and prove all our averages wrong and when you can’t then that only proves 1 simple fact, you are a fucking dumbass.
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BTW – they calculated that wrong, if you calculate all those total there, the % to reject the offer is 52.76, lol. Fail. Should’ve been a strike.
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It rattles my brain that most of the people on here, expect this negotiation to run smoothly. When has a threat for strike ever run smooth. Expecially one of this size. We aren’t talking “MacDonalds” here. Its going to take a substantial amount of time, so just relax, do your homework and keep up on the latest news.
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Most of the time you can tell if there will be a strike by the mandate vote; I believe the mandate vote for this contract was only 57%.
That is a joke, if you expect to get a strike vote at the crunch, you need at least 80 % at mandate and reasons to put your salary on hold to maintain votes.
I doubt they strike.
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I have done the averages for both “Accept” and “Reject” and it seems that the results I got are the reverse, With 52.76% being in favor of Reject and 47.23% being in favor of Accept. This is completely backwards to what is given here, which begs the question, which one is the real final total. Being unofficial this info is subject to change, but to have a completely reversed total makes me think that this info has been reversed on purpose to try and calm the students down with a false total.
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There will be no strike. There are about 300 votes, maybe more but regardless, that are to be counted for. We need at least 300 votes to bring us back up to 50 % for rejecting the offer. That is not going to happen.
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This back and forth is approaching hyperbolic levels of stupidity and comedy now. Well, at the rate this is going, I’ll have finished my final year in April.
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i want know it clearly there is strike or no?
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We will know once the final vote # is in. 6ish more days.
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K i dont know if anyone else has come across this..but i after getting the average for the Reject Offer percentages.. its comes to 52.765. So whats up with that ..or did i just do it wrong..but i dont think i did.
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Scott,
The schools that voted in favour of accepting the offer have more faculty than those that voted for striking. That’s why the numbers seem off if you just add them up and divide by 24. Each college is weighted differently.
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The “segrated votes” are for teachers who are doing things like teaching in China and still entitled to a vote. The problem is secutity of their vote. You can’t fax them, so generally those votes are sent by secure snail mail. They usually take about 4-5 days to finally get here. Other teachers are off on sabatical leave and others are on leave, but still entitled to vote.
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while that is the case they have agreed that there is indeed a missing vote.
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A reason why a large percentage of Fanshawe instructors voted to accept yes was because, many instructors like thier working environment, London, ON just came off a lengthy, emotionally scarring public transit strike and the teachers I have said the offer is more than reasonable, given the current economy in London, ON. I can’t speak for other college working conditions.
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“CollegeSucks” –
You hate colleges because of this? Were you living under a rock when York went on strike for months last year? How about you bring something worthwhile to say to the table, instead of having absolutely no clue what you’re talking about.
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I don’t know where you get off saying something like this. The Universities have their own problems as well. I have attended both College and Unviersity and was actually a student at the Univeristy just a couple years ago when they had their strike. Not all professors at the College’s want to strike, a lot of this has to do with the Union if you have been following this topic. All I have to say is go to Univeristy and tell me where you end up in a few years, I can almost bet you will be back at college because you will need the hands on experience; theroy is good but it wont land you a job in a lot of fields. Good Luck !
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I feel that everyone is being jerked around here, as far as I am concerned the voting should be done all the teachers knew when the vote was being held if the votes were not in by the end of the voting day they should not count. Therefore it was a close vote but it was in favour of the offer. All the colleges are doing now is stalling and creating anxiety amongst students and parents who spent thier hard earned money for an education.
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The descrepancies with the numbers can be explained by a weighting system. Odds are that the bigger schools with more faculty members were weighted heigher than those that weren’t. For example, a school with 1,000 teachers with 60% of the instructors voting yes would result in 600 teachers voting yes. But in a school with 100 teachers, and 60% voting yes, only 60 teachers would vote yes. But the percentages are still the same. Get it?
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Go to this URL for the full results, which show the actual vote count by college . . .
http://www.thecouncil.on.ca/documents/ACAD_BARG_FOV_UnofficialResults_E.pdf
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Does anyone know if there is a strike date put in place when that will be. I just wanna know if i should cancel my vacation plans
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We won’t know for another 10 days what the official results of the vote is. The union needs to give 5 days notice to strike.
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I am a student and I also belong to a union. I have been a proud union member for over 16 years. Please be aware that because of unions there are statutory holidays, vacation pay, overtime pay, paid vacations and the list goes on. Unions certainly have a place in the labour market
Of course, I would prefer for there not to be a strike. However, if there is I can totally understand why. Let’s remember that the union asked for binding arbitration and the colleges said no! Please read and research a little before making yourself look like a fool by saying so many inaccurate things.
Our instructors want to have enough time to do their job properly and thoroughly. They do not want over-sized classes and less time to mark and evaluate their students.
It seems that the colleges would prefer to pack the classrooms and fill their pockets with our tuition money.
Whatever the outcome I hope that the students and faculty can benefit and that our education here in Ontario is continued to be held in high regard.
So once again please inform yourself and look at both sides of the story and think about how you would want to be treated as an instructor.
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If its such a bad deal, why did 4285 professors vote to accept it? The union did not listen to its membership!
When 57% say ok to strike you should know as a union that your members are not that upset with the deal. This union ignored that result and pushed ahead and when the new offer went out the majority said good enough.
You sound like a typical union goon. “Hey members we are smarter than you, go on strike”
What arrogance!! If you truly ‘cared ‘ about membersyou’d listen to them but most union leaders think they are smarter than their membership. Well OPSEU just got its butt kicked and the union bargaining team was handed a vote of no confidence and should resign.
they asked for a TSTRONG REJECT VOTE AND INSTEAD GOT AN ACCEPTANCE.
Did you hear the voices of the 4285 or like most union leaders its just easier to ignore that and make excuses!
OPSEU in this round was all rhetoric and now they will have to deal with it!
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ST LAWRENCE COLLEGE RULES!!!!!!!!!!
i wish i would of chose to go there instead, i don’t even know where it is, but I like it!
BOOM!!!!!!
80% accept the offer, way to be!
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St. LAwrence is a preforming arts school. They do musical theatre
My friend goes there. She said that the teachers would still be rehersing with them, and keep the school open even if there was a strike there.
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It’s in Cornwall, Ontario, about an hour south east of Ottawa.
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St Lawrence main campus is in Kingston…it is not a Performing Arts college.
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it’s a tough call bc if enough of the segregated and mail in ballots sway no we could be in for one heck of a rollercoaster ride since just a few voting yes or no can dramatically change the outcome
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this is for the “???” responder… the way u calculated the results was just added them up and divided by 24… that would work if each school had the same amount of teachers in them… the reason they got 51% is because some schools have more teachers in them there have a larger impact on the percentage… im not sure which schools have more teachers but im guessin that the larger percentages toward accepting the offer had more teachers… therefore weighing the percentage higher going from ur 47 to the actual 51
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obviously the individual that calculated 47% instead of the 51% needs a better education so lets stay in school for his/her sake
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Oh my…..they don’t just average each college’s result. That wouldn’t give each teacher a single vote. Each school is not equal, with bigger schools having more teachers, and thus more ballots. Each teacher is worth one vote. The results shown above are just for each college, while the total is for all colleges.
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Hahaha! 80%!! That is awesome! Thank you St. Lawrence College. Your teachers rock!
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According to OPSEU though St Lawrence profs are stupid…. they won’t listen to them or the other 4ooo plus faculty who said this deal is pretty good.
OPSEU does not listen to its members, Ted Montgomery and his whole bargaining team should resign. They were just handed a vote of no confidence by their members.
When you ask for a rejection and get an acceptance that is a no confidence vote.
They should resign from the bargaining team as they did not listen to their members
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To Jim,
Unions have had their day, they were an important part in making labour relations and laws what they are today.I say thanks to that.But today all they do is protect the lazy, greedy few that know how to play the system.I’ll bet most people in the unions wouldn’t be in one if they didn’t have to.The unions have ads on tv and radio telling their members to not accept the deal.If i was a teacher I wouldn’t want someone else telling me what I should or shouldn’t do.I would decide for myself.The unions are trying to manipulate the members so they can justify their own existance.but you members just keep paying them to have big conferences at the deerhurst on your dime.Take the caw as an example, sure they get it’s members a little more each time they have a contract, but their membership has shrunk by a huge percentage.Layoffs.Cutbacks. It’s got to stop somewhere.I say if the teachers go on strike then the students should go on strike next year.They should take a year off,go to work,stay in high school whatever.Drop the enrollment numbers and let the colleges lay some taechers off. It would be the same as what they plan to do to the students.
I’m so sick and tired of everyday hearing this union is striking or working to rule.This is the reason the west is losing so many jobs overseas.No one wants to work.They want to complain all the time or have commitees for this and that.Go to work, do your job, go home.It’s so simple.
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I say to all who don’t accept the offer,go find a job somewhere else.There are lots of unemployed people out there who are well educated who would gladly take their place for less.It’s time to tell these union assholes who the boss is.If you don’t like the rules piss off.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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To Adam,
no it is not 60% in order to strike, as long as the vote is 1 ballot over 50% the strike will happen. all we can do is wait for the final results, and try not to stress out over this
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Ugh I hate this! I wanna know already! I’m a RPN student, and if this happens it will ruin my clinical hours if the strike happens. I wish they would just make up their minds already, and the waiting time wasn’t so long!
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I know how u feel i am a PSW student at st clair and right now some of us are in review week, after march break we have our preceptorship and if they strike its gonna screw with it. I just want to finish some of us are done in April and want to get through it. JUst wish i knew what was gonna happen
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What you are saying here is not correct. Union rhetoric
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to the people who are saying that the numbers don’t match up it is because of the faculty sizes. St.Lawrence probably has a much larger faculty size than confederation college or any other college that may have of heavily voted to reject the offer. I am only against the strike so that i won’t lose part of my semester but class sizes are too big. Our instructors have told us that we are getting less time in class because they have let more people in to our program usually there is only two sections and now there are four and each class is packed. A strike really would have of been better for us if you really look in to it. Just my two cents
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What do you mean, the Union doesn’t care about the students? And when did we get so greedy that this is all about us. Last time I checked, this is for better working conditions for teachers.
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I don’t know anymore other then that this is bloody stupid!! what happened to the idea about MODERN stuff like emails. anyway its too much of a close tye and I have a bad feeling that it just won’t be possible. and thats all I can see… But good luck to having no strike, and to some that are happy for it, then cheer for a bit.
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Did I not say this last week. They say the decision was going to be yesterday night. Did they not know of the 400 people who had to mail it in. They need to stick to what they say. So many students are being jerked around too much by this whole situation, when it has nothing to do with us. Just get in a room together and bang out a deal. This is getting quite rediculus.
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hmmm, well until they say Strike or NO Strike I’ll be feeling better, because in my mind 51.25 isn’t good enough, especially since there are more votes out there. the positive thought about it, I really want to stay in class and finnish this year like everyone else, I have some great nice teachers.
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is there a minimum percentage required in order to not strike. i thought it was like 60% in order for it to go either way?
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Its just a majority…
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But it’s still really close so I’m assuming once the rest of the votes are counted it’ll be even closer. I hope we don’t strike … but you never know how it’ll turn out after the remainder of the votes are counted. I definitely have my fingers crossed there won’t be a strike though!
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Another 10 days? Wonderful…
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Well – accordingly the strike wouldn’t be on the 17th. If a strike, it now would start in March at the earliest.
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http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100210/100210_college/20100210/?hub=CP24Home
This is a link to CP24, a Toronto news station, with their story on the current vote. It basically says that even though the vote was majority 51.25%, the union states that this “…is too close to determine whether the offer has been accepted or rejected…” and that they need to ballot in the extra 300 mail-in votes. Also “The union for Ontario’s community colleges said it will not take a rejected ‘final’ offer from the college directly to the teachers.” Also, “The instructors had already set a February 17 strike date, but if the offer is ultimately rejected, a new strike date will be determined.” (all quotes taken directly from news article)
I understand that they need time to tally the mail-ins, that’s a given, but when the union says that it’s too close to call, I call bullshit. Not only that, but if it does cave in and they need to go back to the negotiating table, the strike date will be further delayed. As if half of the student population isn’t already worried about their money and time going to waste. Delays and extensions only further that worry (at least in my case).
In short, I’m tired of it, make a decision.
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How will they calculate the result? Since 14-10 schools overall voted towards a strike?
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ha ha ha, sucks to be all you people who wanted this strike to happen.
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@curious big ears
I agree that class sizes are too large and maybe I am selfish but I graduate this year.
Plus striking in this financial climate just doesn’t make sense.
I will never support a strike when the outcome might be that students lose their year.
The only bargaining power is to hold students hostage which is wrong.
If unions convinced students not to go to college then enrollment may go down and there would be faculty layoffs so that is no good for the union.
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Personally, I’d be leery of a professor who spells ‘quality’ qulaity
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Lol holly!!!! Look at St. Laurence, those are some seriously dedicated teachers right there. Hahahaha all of those faculty members should learn from those teachers. Salute.
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Is there any estimate of how many ballots are going to be mailed in? If so what would be the percentage needed to change the vote to a no?
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The union has said there is approximately 400 to 500 ballots to be mailed in.
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I heard there were 300 outstanding ballots at first but the number keeps rising.
I think the unions and colleges spread FUD if it suits their purpose.
I don’t know the answer but maybe the ORLB does.
I heard the final numbers will be in Wed (someone else posted Thu).
I would bet by Fri.
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As of the unoffical results, there will not be a strike. but it cant be for certain seeing as there is over 300 ballots that still need to be accounted for. That 1.25% that is above the 50% marker can easily be put the other way with the offical results. So again, the stike is still uncertain, and could or courld not happen. and again .. will be pushed back a bit seeing as they need 10 days to process, and the strike was set to happen this coming wed, 17th. So who really knows? its a pain to sit and see all this change so much before us, when we just want a stright anwser, but this is the best we can do.
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OPSEU would be silly enough to strike with 50.01% because they don’t listen to their members!
They would say “we have a strike mandate”
Still it seems unlikely the results will change. Why would the mail in votes be that much different than the votes that were counted on Feb 11? They need almost all of those ballots to vote for ‘rejection’. Seems unlikely.
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i doubt so that there will be a strike it is only a few percents off though so you never know
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Pulled from the OPSEU website (http://www.opseu.org/news/press2010/feb-10-2010.htm) – Emphasis mine
TORONTO – ***Results of the vote by faculty in Ontario’s 24 community colleges on the employer’s last contract offer are too close to determine whether the offer has been accepted or rejected***.
Faculty have voted 51 per cent to accept the employer’s offer, a margin of just 210 votes. Now at issue is the number of mail-in votes, over 300 ballots, which once received could change the vote results. Those results may not be known for up to 10 days or more.
***Ted Montgomery, chair of the OPSEU bargaining team for the faculty, says that the union will have to get a clear determination of the final vote count before any decisions are made.***
“Right now we do not have a clear and final majority either way,” Montgomery said. “Until we know for sure whether our members have accepted or rejected the employer offer, we cannot move forward.”
Montgomery said that if the offer is ultimately rejected, the union will then determine a new strike date and call on the Colleges to return to the bargaining table to negotiate a fair collective agreement.
“If rejected, we will ask the employer to immediately resume negotiations,” Montgomery said. “And, failing a negotiated contract, we will again urge the Colleges to submit all outstanding issues to binding arbitration.”
OPSEU President Warren (Smokey) Thomas says if the eventual outcome is a rejection of the employer’s offer, a strike can still be completely avoided.
“We do not want any disruption to the students,” Thomas said. “We have maintained the position all along that if we can’t get an agreement, binding arbitration is how we want to proceed. ***If the Colleges don’t agree, then they and they alone will be responsible for jeopardizing the education of 200,000 Ontario college students.”***
So, bascially this means that we know…nothing. No final word yet on whether or not there will be a strike.
I really wish they would get this over with. Yes or No (preferring no) to a strike. Either shit, or get off the pot, as it were.
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>“We do not want any disruption to the students,” Thomas said.
Except the union knows that will happen if they strike.
The union gets its way (binding arbitration) or students are punished.
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can the school go on an individual strike?
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Each school is part of a Provincial union.
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So does this mean that we have to wait another 10 freaking days to find out what the hell is going on with our damn school system? I thought they walk out on the 17th and now that is extended to the 20th before we even know if there will be a strike or not? I don’t think I have ever been so confused about anything before in my life!
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The high likelyhood is that there will not be a strike.
And, right now, a core groups of staff seem to be thinking that, whether there is a strike or not, academics will go on – they certainly don’t seem to feel either side has their best interest at hart. The feeling seems to be that Mgmt is being vindictive due to the last strike AND has an agenda to try and push a point to the Ministry about funding $$ cut, and the Union is acting like a rabid dog with a stick intent on trying to make up for loosing ground (perception) with the changes to the labor laws.
However, the Union is not likely to report either way until they have completed the count, if only so they don’t close the door on the possibility. And both sides will keep posturing and stating they’re right and the others are not giving the full picture for this reason or that. Ends up sounding like school-yard bullies having it out without caring about who’s in the way…
It’s all politics and perceptions…
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Either way the union bargaining team received a ‘vote of no confidence’
Most unions get the vote call they ask for and when you don’t it means you have not listened to your membership.
The OPSEU bargaining team should resign. All of them should step down and be replaced with new faculty union members who will hopefully listen to their membership.
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the way i see it, the way the union keeps delaying the strike, they’re bluffing, i say the college should call their bluff
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So what does this mean? Probably no strike?
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We still have to wait for the official results to be certain, but its unlikely there will be a strike.
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So I am assuming there will not be a strike.
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So whats the bottom line? Will there ever be one?
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